Please login to read the full story if you are already a subscribd member.
Please login here-- OR --
Subscribe a membership!!
9° | €1 - £0.85 |
Friday 24 May 2013
DEPUTY MCHUGH LEADS CAMPAIGN TO MARK 100TH ANNIVERSARY OF UVF
-- OR --
Subscribe a membership!!
I will never as long as i live vote for fine gael again after seeing this.NEVER
the man is a disgrace to even suggest it. Tell him to ask the opinion of the families of people brutally murdered by the uvf for their opinion, just shows what he is…..
this does not shock me, we have all known for along time now that his party are a party for the british, and there murder gangs, well done this man on bring it to the population so they can see it for what it is, shame on him and fine geal .
Is he for real
I read this article with disgust in the Mail yesterday.He waants to mark the 100th anniversary of the UVF, because it will reassure Unionists on 1916 jubilee. I give up, I really do, its like asking jews to mark the founding of Nazism. May I ask the said T.D. did the Orange order ever come south of the border and discuss their 12th of July celebrations with us? They did not. This is the start of what is ahead, trying to dilute the Rising celebrations by including the Soome etc and all Irish War dead. While I have the greatest of respect for all our war dead, in all armies, this is celebrated every year at Easter time, but the 100th anniversary should be dedicated to Pearse and his men, that day is theirs, and theirs alone. James Langton Collins22 Society/1916-21 Club/IVCS
ah sure he has to be seen to be inclusive, isnt that what europe and the pc heads want. these people will say and do anything to follow the money and power
People, the UVF from back then is nothing to do with the UVF of the last 30yrs.
Or is the IRA of Collins etc the same IRA as the murder squads of the Provos?
As a Donegal Protestant I think this is a welcome sign and it would be highly appreciated!
Typical response from Irish Republicans. Though Joe has got his history mixed up a little. This year 2012, sees the 100th anniversary of the singing of the Ulster Solemn League and Covenant. Next year sees the centenary of the founding of the Ulster Volunteers. Their mirror group was the Irish Volunteers. Both organisations had views about Home Rule but which were soon eclipsed by WW1. Many of both groups volunteered to fight for Britain. No conscription in Ireland remember. The response to Joes article only goes to show the ignorance of people to Irish history.
Can’t believe some people are willing to put their name to the comments above.
If you can separate the IRA of the 1920s and the atrocities they carried out against Irish people from the IRA of the Troubles then you can do the same for the Ulster Volunteer Force. Hypocrites.
James:
Why dedicate just to Pearse and his people, why just to them? How come his cause is more important to the cause our unionist fathers? Why?
I don’t quite get the comparison you gave between the Nazis and the Ulster Volunteers. Can you please explain?
You have ‘the greatest respect for all the war dead’ a very genuine comment. Judging by the rest of the trash you wrote.
John Ferry:
I have no clue as to what you mean. Your argument is bollox.
Anthony Dalton:
because an Irish politician stands up or promotes a part of IRISH history which is important to the Protestant population then it is not worthy ?
Rather disappointed you declined to post my comment, which both has substance, truth and facts included. However, you are the editor and I respect your decision. Le meas.
We have to be careful legally; and the language must be measured. Try again!
my comment contained nothing but fact and wasnt uploaded either
Afraid Shaun your comments were defamatory. Try reasoned argument without abuse thrown in and we’ll take a look at it.
Mc Hugh, like his colleague Dinny Mc Ginley, who currently is spearheading a campaign to cut funding to our official tongue An Gaeilge, are an absolute disgrace to the whole county of Donegal. It would fit Mc Hugh better to lobby his beloved counterparts the Tories into releasing incriminating information & hard-core evidence that links both the uvf & whitehall in blatant collusion in the bombings of Dublin & Monaghan in 1974.
Furthermore, I do solemnly hope that the decent & up-standing people of Tír Chonall finally realise what fine gael are all about in Ireland; a bunch of self-serving opportunists whose knowledge of both Irish history & current economic policies are both monstrous & grotesque. They try to perceive themselves as a party of ”fiscal rectitude”, which if the truth be told, is complete & utter nonsense. When it comes to social science & economics, they are completely illiterate. Why do you think George Lee? They were, are & always will be a pro-imperialist party, no matter what way you dress it up.
Joe will do anything for a platform. He doesn’t know what went on in the North of Ireland for 100 years. I mean his platform is aimed at appeasing the ‘Protestant’ vote in DOnegal. Joe dont engage in the sectarian politics! The only time you visit the north of Ireland is to eat at a chinese restaurant.
Why does the fact that a Roman Catholic Nationalist Politician promoting an important period / event in the heritage of the Protestant / Unionist population cause so much trouble?
We are talking about an event from over 100yrs ago.
Any educated person would be aware that the UVF of 1912.. is not the (vile) UVF of the troubles.
So, my point is that for you folks the main problem is that he is promoting remembrance of a part of the PROTESTANT heritage in Donegal.
Fine Gael is a respectable party.
Fair play to Joe.Its time for the people of Donegal to remember the proud history of the Covenant and what it ment to all the protestants that signed it..Learn your history guys………………………………..Stop showing your ignorance of facts……
The funny thing is, I’m not surprised at the shear ignorance of many of the posters here. People who seem to ignore the facts and the events of history, which results in their own obscured view of what they think happened in Donegal 100 years ago (note I said Donegal and not Tir Chonail as I think the people of Inishowen deserve to be included).
@Wesley- No idea what you’re chatting about. When you say the north if Ireland, do you mean Northern Ireland, as you’re post confuses me?
And anyone who can compare Ulster Unionism to what the Nazis did to the Jews is delusional.
Fact # 1 – There was a huge Protestant population in Donegal at the time of the mentioned events 100 years ago. Most of these people were against Home Rule and led by William Carson. He formed the group, the Ulster Volunteers, to rally together and protest against the proposed 3rd Home Rule Bill. These Ulster Volunteers also got referred to as the Ulster Volunteer Force. They have absolutely nothing to do with the terrorist group that formed in the 1960s and took the same name.
Fact # 2 – The Home Rule Bill was passed and many of the Ulster Volunteers from Donegal, left their homes (sometimes by choice but mostly by force) and moved into the safer areas nowadays known as Northern Ireland. This meant that the Protestant population in Donegal was now a lot smaller than it had been. This ethnic cleansing went on for many years. Even though the Protestant population never quite reached 0%, it definitely feels that they are treated in a way that they do not exist at all. Just look at the above comments for proof.
23, Delaford Lawn,
Knocklyon,
Dublin 16
Phone 4059592
January 10th 2012
Dear Sir,
As we near the centennial anniversaries of some of the most seminal events in our history, the government will be put under pressure to include some controversial events. This year, 2012, is the centenary of the formation of the UVF and the signing of the Ulster Covenant and Fine Gael TD Joe McHugh, co-chairman of the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly has indicated his support to have the Irish government commemorate this event. Mr McHugh said that the covenant “must be a hugely significant part of the decade of commemoration. Recognising that partnership, equality and mutual respect is the basis for consolidating relationships within the North, between North and South and between these islands, I nonetheless believe that the Irish government commemorating the formation of the UVF is taking political ecumenism a step too far.
In 1966 the UVF were responsible for the sectarian murders of two Catholics in Belfast, Peter Ward and John Scullion, killings which heralded the start of the ‘troubles’. Then in 1971 in another sectarian attack the UVF bombed McGurks Bar in Belfast with the loss of 15 innocent Catholic lives. Lenny Murphy and the Shankill Butchers, one of the most notorious groups of psychopaths spawned by the UVF, terrorised Catholic communities for years as they cruised around nationalist areas of Belfast in search of defenceless innocent ‘Taigs’. Billy Wright, one of the most prolific sectarian killers to emerge during the conflict and who reputedly murdered Catholics as a recreation, was a brigadier in the UVF. Wright was held in such high esteem by his UVF comrades that they murdered a Catholic as a “birthday present” for him. In 1994 in Loughinisland Co Down, three members of this lumpen rabble called the UVF shot to death six people in a bar, including an 87 year old man, while they watched Ireland play Italy on TV in the World Cup. These beasts from hell didn’t mind crossing the border to carry on their vile trade. In 1974 in the biggest mass-murder in Irish history, they carried out the Dublin and Monaghan bombings in which 33 people were murdered and hundreds maimed and injured.
In calling on the government to include commemorating the formation of the UVF in 1912 Mr McHugh said “the nature of our commemorations will say much about the character of the Irish State and the Irish people”. Indeed it will. It will also say much about the character of those parliamentarians who support this squalid and repugnant proposal.
Yours sincerely
Tom Cooper.
Hello Mr Cooper,
please educate yourself by reading the above posts.
Brgds
Mr. Cooper, your in-depth analogy of the horrendous events carried out by these thugs does not include their shoot-to-kill policy on innocent Nationalists/Catholics during their reign of terror in the North of Ireland, nor does it include the despicable collusion between the death-squads of the ruc, prominent businessmen and the uvf into the slaughtering of innocent catholics. I would strongly suggest that Mc Hugh & his fellow pro-british party members take some time out and read Seán Mc Philemy’s book ”The Committee”, then they can comment accordingly. I think now Mc Hugh this matter has been put to bed. Yet another nail in your proverbial political coffin.
As a member of a committee set up to mark the signing of the Ulster Covenant i welcome this but i think it has been put up in the wrong context , the original Ulster Volunteers was formed in 1913 a year after the Covenant was signed and was disbanded in 1919 , the current day UVF is a totally different organisation till the one in 1913 , it should be noted some 18 thousand signed the covenant in Donegal and were then partitioned off in 1921 and became part of the free state , all commerations welcome but not with the present paramilitary gangs , anyone please feel free to conatct me for facts regarding this issue
Dear Tom Cooper,
Please read my previous post. The Ulster Volunteers of the early 1900s is NOT the same as the terror group formed in the 1960s. The original leaders of the UVF would be appalled at the tactics used by a terrorist group of the same name that formed more than 50 years later. Google is your friend. Use it and educate yourself.
Dear Lloyd (notice the correct spelling)
You have chosen to ignore that facts. Take off the blinkers and look around you.
Brian D, your knowledge of Irish history is extremely selective & you too should read Mc Philemy´s book, ‘The Committee’. It may give you a deeper insight into what you are trying unsuccessfully to preech. Furthermore, with regards to your beloved fine gael, it was absolutely abhorrent that your incompetent leader kenny, failed in his lacklustre attempt in persuading cameron & his tory elite into releasing documents linking both the uvf & sas to the murder of 33 innocent Irish people in the bombings of Dublin & Monaghan on the 17th of May 1974.
In 2006 former Fine Gael TD and Minister of State, Donegal’s Paddy Harte was awarded, and accepted, the title Officer of the Order of the British Empire. I sense there may be a second award in the not too distant future winging its way to Donegal.
Sometimes no matter how often a person has to repeat the same thing, over and over again, the respondent is too busy in his replies to listen.
The Committee written by Sean McPhilemy has got absolutely nothing to do with what this discussion is about. Why would it be brought up? Enda Kenny and his failure to get documents about atrocities that happened in 1974 has got absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. Lloyd, you are weakening your own argument by bringing up totally irrelevant points. We are NOT talking about the group of murdering butchers that took the name of a different group that had formed 50 years before.
Talk about being selective!
What a strange man this fellow must be. As a Donegal man, as an Irishman, as a Protestant. I find his views disturbed and emblematic of a mindset that belongs in the 1890′s and the period of bending the knee. Not to a modern state.
If you have the intelligence to remember the crux of the initial conversation you would realise that both mc Philemy´s book ”The Committee” & the blantant obnoxiousness of the pro-imperialist blue-shirts are both very much appropriately relevant to this discussion. It is time for you to remove your head from the sand & face-up the fact that Mc Hugh´s fine gael are trying to appease the Prodestant people of Donegal by recommending such preposterous commerations. It would not surprise me at all if you see Mc Hugh marching down to Rossnowlagh beach next July, wearing his sash, while beating a drum with 1 hand & distributing fine gael pro-british propaganda literature with the other.
Not sure if it was ignorance on the part of Donegal Daily or else deliberately worded to provoke a reaction but “controversial UVF”! Tell me any organisation in Ireland that is not controversial to some group or another? Will the centenary of the Easter Rising be branded as “controversial”? Will there be time in 1916 to remember the thousands and thousands of Irishmen both Protestant and Roman Catholic who fought side by side in the trenches? Or would that be too controversial as they fought in the British Army? Irish history is not all Green and Gaelic, there is also a significant other section of the community who live here as recognised in the colours of the flag of the Irish Republic. Time for it to be recognised by the Irish too!
I think 1916 should be scrapped for the reality of how much the politicians have let down the people of this country. What we have to day are selfish people who are out for themselves, overpaid to the extent of daylight robbery, who will allow suffering of the weak, vulnerable, disabled and indeed the elderly. I am Irish and proud but wonder about 1916, the goals and aims and indeed the war of independence that followed which led to the treaty of 1921. I wonder about the people who sacrificed everything back then and even those people going back further along the way for a dream that was supposed to be something good. I thing they would be quite confused today having given their lives a lot of them, for what we do with the freedom we have and especially how our politicians have created a society that does not care, where they continuously milk the system on the back of everyone they can with flash pensions and salaries and expenses. I think very much that for the likes of these people that is was all in vain. Would it matter to me today to have a union jack over the GPO if I had more money in my pocket or see the people as a whole treated better and treated fairly??? I don’t think so. Ask the people who emigrated then and now does it matter? the flag or anthem they sing? Flags and songs for romantics and the hard road for the rest. God save Ireland from these vultures as there is no one else. The people again have no voice but this time its from within
for e102,000 p/a plus expenses of mine and other taxpayers money i want mc hugh sorting out the mess we are in through no fault of the ordinary person, not organising centenary comemerations i have enough problems at present without remembering the bulls#/t of the past
Chapeau to Donegal Daily & all its’ staff on your stirling work! Bravo!
Wait a minute folks, the Ulster Covenant and U.V.F. of 1912-1919 have nothing to do with recent conflict, full stop! Billy Wright, Gusty Spence and Committee book are of a different world completely!!! The Donegal UVF were non sectarian, most were farmers who had Catholic employees!! Their struggle was with the British Government, many of these Volunteers later excelled themselves in the Great War. Get a good history book and start reading!!!!!
The UVF was setup to stop Catholics in Ireland having Home Rule.
The UVF was created to stop Home Rule by use of FORCE. This is the same mandate the Modern UVF took and used this mandate of FORCE to Murder Innocent Catholics .
“On 28 September 1912 at Belfast City Hall almost 250,000 Unionists signed the Solemn League and Covenant to resist the granting of Home Rule. This was followed in January 1913 with the formation of the Ulster Volunteers composed of adult male Unionists to oppose the passage and implementation of the bill by force of arms if necessary”
Why should the Irish Republic Honour these men. The Irish Republic was founded by Republicans who gave their lives for their beliefs. Whether Fine Gael like it or not our Founding Fathers were the enemy of these men and we should Never Honour Them!!!
Over 18,000 Donegal Protestants signed the Ulster Covenant on 28th September 1912. Their decendants are Citizens of the Irish Republic today
“The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens….cherishing all the children of the nation equally.
The Founding Fathers died for the above quote also.
Read your Proclamation it’s not a decoration……