@Ash

The cane a bit barbaric you say?

Physical pain lingers a lot longer.

It didn’t do anybody at school any harm when it was allowed.

Look at modern socially now.

I call it chaos from lack of discipline and moral up bringing but you say we are a civilised society?

What about people getting knife stabbing in broad daylight, people getting their nose and face bitten off by some junkie or drunk, i could go on….

Yes its a very civilised society we are living in today.

@Ash.. if only it were that simple i.e ‘people to teach their kids right from wrong’. Unfortunately we live in a society where some parents are far from capable of showing their children respect and manners all because they have none themselves. People will blame the behaviour of children on socio economic reasons but personally I feel, it doesn’t matter what your background or economic circumstances manners are something not determined by where you live or how much money you have. Many families in this country were brought up with less money in years past, smaller houses and mothers and fathers who made sure their children knew respect for themselves and other people. There has been a drop in respect levels, and no fear/respect of gardai or anyone including teachers. Manners cost nothing, .. some parents have alot to answer for, while others are simply incapable of being parents. Yes, boredom and unemployment does play some part, thus you have gangs and wreckless behaviour as above but having lived in cities throughout this country and experienced violence amongst even primary school kids, babies being left in the care of children under 12 ( while sniffing lighter fuel and glue!), parents drinking while their kids run wild outside, one truely does wonder sometimes, why some people are ever allowed to have children. The above type of vandalism is carried out by ‘great fellas’ perfectly aware of what they are doing but do it anyway for kicks… im sorry, but a damn good hiding they won’t forget might just do the trick. The above vandalism and attacks on churches is never acceptable.